{"id":266,"date":"2002-05-24T23:29:03","date_gmt":"2002-05-25T07:29:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ogre.nu\/wp\/?p=266"},"modified":"2012-02-01T01:10:14","modified_gmt":"2012-02-01T09:10:14","slug":"sovereignty-liberty","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/?p=266","title":{"rendered":"sovereignty \u2260 liberty"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/denbeste.nu\/cd_log_entries\/2002\/05\/Sayitlouder.shtml\"> USS Clueless<\/a> defends American unilateralism again:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n[quoting a British paper] &#8220;a disdain for any treaty that might, even marginally, tie the administration&#8217;s hands&#8221;. We in the US refer to that as &#8220;liberty&#8221;. I know it&#8217;s a foreign notion in Europe, but we actually fought a revolution to get it, and we&#8217;d like to keep it. We think it&#8217;s pretty damned important.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>No, that&#8217;s <i>sovereignty<\/i>, <a href=\".\/?p=117\">not the same thing at all<\/a>; though Steve is right in saying our ancestors fought a war for it (when they already had considerable liberty). <i>Liberty<\/i>, on the other hand, is defended precisely by tying the administration&#8217;s hands &#8211; or so Americans once used to say.<\/p>\n<p>(While I&#8217;m up, <i>democracy<\/i> is also not the same thing as either liberty or sovereignty.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>USS Clueless defends American unilateralism again: [quoting a British paper] &#8220;a disdain for any treaty that might, even marginally, tie the administration&#8217;s hands&#8221;. We in the US refer to that as &#8220;liberty&#8221;. I know it&#8217;s a foreign notion in Europe, &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/?p=266\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-266","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-history","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/266","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=266"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/266\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3011,"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/266\/revisions\/3011"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=266"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=266"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bendwavy.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=266"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}